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[Locked] Bring it back! Visibility options (only applies to unstable repo upgrade)
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onyxwolf English 51 fabounet [Read]
30 May 2010 à 19:58

onyxwolf, Thursday 13 May 2010 à 23:40


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I had finally found the perfect visibility option. I don't remember what it was called exactly, or how long its been available or as reliable as it was, but until recently I had given up on the CD visibility being super reliable, then I found that one. The behavior of that option is that it would simply stay on the bottom of the desktop unless you touched it (or the corner of the screen)! It was absolutely reliable no matter how many docks, if you had a full screen app or not, the dock would never be in the way. It was only visible when needed and it was quick to call and quick to go away. It wasn't really "hiding" it. I like the new Effect used to hide option, but I found the non-hide option much nicer for me. Can we please bring that option back?

Someone who hasn't done the most recent upgrade (or simply has better memory than I do), please help me out on what the option was called. (I think it was something like "Keep below windows" or something simple like that...)

matttbe, Friday 14 May 2010 à 01:13


Subscription date : 24 January 2009
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THANK YOU !!!

It was 'Keep the dock bellow'
This mode has been removed (by someone called f------t but he wants to keep an hidden identity ) in order to use a new feature to keep some applets above other windows and also because (in one's right mind) this mode was too intrusive when the dock would show something.
But for me this is not enough to remove this mode

@fabounet:

FrankKubuntu, Friday 14 May 2010 à 01:44


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And the war begins...

matttbe, Friday 14 May 2010 à 01:58


Subscription date : 24 January 2009
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The war has already begun because the last revision by fabounet has been done 2 days ago! an eternity!!!

ppmt, Friday 14 May 2010 à 02:00


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I would side with Fabounet but he tends to give in too much too popular demand

I don't use that feature so can't say I care bu seeing the amount of people who liked it....

I would say matttbe and onyxwolf are the safe bet

onyxwolf, Friday 14 May 2010 à 02:11


Subscription date : 14 December 2009
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I didn't mean to call fabounet out, but I really liked the fluidity of the dock with that option. Not to mention it was a way to hide side docks even when using Compiz and recall them (using the corner option to call it back).

ppmt, Friday 14 May 2010 à 05:47


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onyxwolf: if you want something you have to be strong ...Fabounet will use every sign of weakness that you will display

matttbe, Friday 14 May 2010 à 13:13


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FrankKubuntu, Friday 14 May 2010 à 15:45


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KmY also wants this back!!! I will add this thread this is thread.

KmY, Friday 14 May 2010 à 15:54


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Yes give us back this option

I wanna see my wonderful dock on an empty screen and it's not possible !

fabounet, Friday 14 May 2010 à 18:19


Subscription date : 30 November 2007
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The war has already begun because the last revision by fabounet has been done 2 days ago! an eternity!!!

it has nothing to do with it, but with the fact that you just can't quit Half-Life2 once you start it

I really liked the fluidity of the dock with that option.

so, you now have the same "fluidity" (one of the effet is "fade out", and is the same as what had the previous option)

Not to mention it was a way to hide side docks even when using Compiz and recall them (using the corner option to call it back).

here again, the new options behave the same, that is to say, you can finally use auto-hide with Compiz and a dock on the side !

using the corner option to call it back

this one can be added again if necessary.

KmY also wants this back!!!

this is disinformation, KmY only wants to see its dock when no window are on the way

I'd say you're still far from convincing me
but please, try the 2 new options on the weekly PPA, because actually, they are quite equivalent to the previous one (except the possible bugs that will of course been fixed before any release).

FrankKubuntu, Friday 14 May 2010 à 18:31


Subscription date : 21 October 2009
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I don't care much anymore, as I got used to the "auto-hide whenever a window overlaps" or something like that. I actually discovered it has an advantage over the old way, now that the dock is hidden, when your mouse hovers in the dock's area but does NOT touch the far bottom of the screen, it doesn't pop-up the dock. So it doesn't hover above launchers-applets and therefore doesn't bring back the dock foreground and doesn't zoom on the icons and animate them. This is very good as I don't hit by mistake the dock and a launcher-applet anymore, so it's not annoying anymore. Besides the hide animations are quite cute. I think there could be more choices in the next releases.

I won't be able to convince fab anymore. You won, dude/mate/pal.
But I will keep my points on other things, though (systray, XFS trash support, importing themes, KDE, etc.) lolll

matttbe, Friday 14 May 2010 à 20:12


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For me, the reason to keep this mode is simple: it's just to not disturb users.
Of course this mode is "better" or "smarter" (but not better than 'Keep the dock bellow the current window' ) but it's just different and it can be "disturbing".

I think it's not a good solution to force the user to change its habits at every versions.
Of course sometime we have no other choice but it's not the case here I think
With this old mode we can't use new features but we can simply inform the user about that.

FrankKubuntu, Friday 14 May 2010 à 20:24


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matttbe :
I think it's not a good solution to force the user to change its habits at every versions.


Correct, like changing from KDE to Gnome.

onyxwolf, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 06:09


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fabounet:
you now have the same "fluidity" (one of the effet is "fade out", and is the same as what had the previous option)


As soon as I posted that I decided fluidity isn't the right word, maybe a better one would be incorporation, as in CD's incorporation with the desktop. I tried the fade out and I guess I just liked the way the keep below option really kept the dock readily accessible but not in the way. For example if I had a full length terminal open (full length not full screen) and working on it and wanted to bring up some other program, with a launcher that is on the other half of the dock, I can easily aim straight for that launcher vs. having to touch the callback zone then hit that launcher. Even if the launcher is underneath a window it was a quick flick of the mouse (whether to touch an exposed portion of the dock or to the corner of the screen) and the dock was in the front and ready to use.

Another issue I have is the side dock hiding along with the primary dock (I have a multi-dock setup) no matter what option I use. It was nice (call it reassuring) to see my side-dock while the primary wasn't in the way of my working.

fabounet:
here again, the new options behave the same, that is to say, you can finally use auto-hide with Compiz and a dock on the side


I'm having issues with that because mine will still not call back from the side.

Matttbe
This mode has been removed" ... "in order to use a new feature to keep some applets above other windows


You know how I am about choices being the spice of life. Maybe adding it back with the notation that with the keep below option that feature will not work.

Matttbe:
this mode was too intrusive when the dock would show something.


Indeed but it was not for those of us who don't really use some of those options. It did, however, come to the front when a launcher wanted my attention, so the active window was not obtrusive to me at all.

In short it behaved the way I wanted it to; thus the request to bring it back.

onyxwolf, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 06:23


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On a separate and upbeat note: I did just notice the addition of being able to change the view of a each main dock. VERY COOL! I love it!!!

matttbe, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 14:49


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Maybe adding it back with the notation that with the keep below option that feature will not work.
This what I say since one week

Indeed but it was not for those of us who don't really use some of those options. It did, however, come to the front when a launcher wanted my attention, so the active window was not obtrusive to me at all.
Yes

onyxwolf, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 18:14


Subscription date : 14 December 2009
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To quote myself--

I'm having issues with that because mine will still not call back from the side.


For some reason its working now. Guess it just needed a couple shutdowns to start working. I'll keep on eye on it working (until we get keep below back).

fabounet, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 21:29


Subscription date : 30 November 2007
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Another issue I have is the side dock hiding along with the primary dock (I have a multi-dock setup) no matter what option I use. It was nice (call it reassuring) to see my side-dock while the primary wasn't in the way of my working.


indeed, I'm currently working on making it dock-independant
today I've decorellated the callback of the docks, now I have to do the same for the hiding. Should be done by tomorrow.

Maybe adding it back with the notation that with the keep below option that feature will not work.

this is barely an option, I'd rather avoid adding options that are incompatible, or that break the global behavior of the dock.
If it's to be added again, it has to integrate in the whole.


Indeed but it was not for those of us who don't really use some of those options. It did, however, come to the front when a launcher wanted my attention, so the active window was not obtrusive to me at all.

Mail, Pidgin, Xchat already use these notifications (icons visible when the dock is hidden)
also, some other applets pop up a dialog, and in this case too, you have to bring the dock back in front, or you would have a dialog floating on your screen.
So it's not only when a window demands your attention, it's useful in many cases.

matttbe, Saturday 15 May 2010 à 23:40


Subscription date : 24 January 2009
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But if there is a notification, the dock can be hidden (or 'semi-transparency' with a fade-out effect) except the corresponding icon.

The fact is that now if a window is above, the dock is hidden. And this new mode can be disturbing for some persons...

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onyxwolf English 51 fabounet [Read]
30 May 2010 à 19:58


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